Remember 9-11!

2009-12-15 [earthkynd]: You are a bunch of ignorant fucks, I'm out of here. Education.

2009-12-15 [Duke Devlin]: Since Imperator is in agreement with myself, I'ma thank you too, Rapture. :P :) <3
earthkynd, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about - or what you were getting at in the first place. It's kinda typical that someone like you would give up the moment there was backing from another. Typical that once you could think of no retort you'd throw out an insult, and leave. Childish.

2009-12-15 [earthkynd]: Where is the sense in discussing with that which has no sense?
When have you ever been out of that empire of yours? Hm, you have no idea of the world outside. The young and poor of the entire world are revolting, insurrection, revolution, armed struggle in from Mexico to Greece, the streets are alight, people taking their rights, kicking bosses out, taking over factories, police killing and torturing deviants, immigrants, gitane people, government repression all over, people fighting back! There is revolt against this clearly only profit and control crazed system, EVERYWHERE, but apparently in the states this doesn't even come through to you people, so hard to look outside your box, look even inside all the ghettos and barrios, reflection of the actual U.S., but where as well revolutionary action is formed, people take change in their own hands! The people that have to be taken away from their intouchable ivory towers, these people that care for no one and nothing, and in the name of profit and "pride" destroy our Earth and abuse all its inhabitants, THESE people you want to give total freedom to do whatever? Because whatever you seem to think, that is what it is, ultra neo-liberalism. You're mad you fkin middleclass giris! You do not know of us, you do not know what this world is like, get the fuck out there! Search your roots, and stand strong in revolt! Sangre Sitani

2009-12-15 [earthkynd]: And, [American Revolutionary] if I read your description I can only asume you're really simple, and I don't know where you find the balls (ah no you don't have to, you're on an semi-anonymous online community, bouhou) to seriously try to appear like a person with any healthy sense in his head, psycho-depro que eres. I cite:

"i used to be a caring,kind person...but a few recent events,have caused a change in me..im darker,more death intrested than anything
my world is destroyed..just so you know,im not much for drama..so keep that out,another thing,i HATE THE GOVERNMENT with a passion
so,yea,i might be anarchis,terrorist,or communist,i dont give a crap..i like to do poetry,prefferably dark poetry
i love darkness,and hard rock..[...]
another thing is,when im mad,my eyes turn red,just the iris,i have my father to thank for that...
i love guns..especially assault rifles,so i can tear something,or someone apart with a hail of lead
yes..as stated death is my passion,i love it...another thing is..i love darkness
anything dark im into.."
"Elfwood URL: blood
Fanquarters URL: iron
Wyvern URL: hate
Home-page URL: darkness
Weblog URL: war
Favorite URL: death"

Good thing you and that gun of yrs are not at school anymore! You like bowling by any chance?

2009-12-15 [XxTsomexX]: [earthkynd], I can clearly see by what you write, you are insane. Go to your own ways babe and get on with your life. Instead of arguing with who you seem to find "ignorant". Go find the good in life, not the violence and the bull shit. Maybe then you'll be a much happier prick, than a sour puss.

2009-12-15 [Mortified Penguin]: I do agree with [earthkynd]... except about his obviously deluded views on the American government...

But despite your obvious mental deficiencies, I want you to go to Bob's Diner, earthy... it's fun! ...seriously... go there... *spits on your shoes*... *eats ramen*...

2009-12-15 [Duke Devlin]: Wow, earthkynd, you're more stupid than I thought. I love that you immediately assume that we are all American here. Perhaps you should check your information before wildly throwing innaccurate statements about - I'm British. I live in the UK - England, to be exact. And on to your 'terrible' struggles; causing destruction and such is not the fault of these 'profit driven' societies, but rather those rebelling against it. You should really research before stating that we don't know anything about the world "outside our box". I would wager that I know a great deal more about how to run a successful society than you do - you ignorant fuck. <-- Just thought I'd try the insult approach. ;)

2009-12-15 [Mortified Penguin]: And I'm Mexican! ...granted, I do live in America... but still! ...*eats ramen*...

2009-12-16 [Imperator]: I'm really quite confused by earthkynd's convoluted argument because he appeared to be linking government oppression with profit-driven corporations.

I agree with what appears to be his dislike of government power but his solution as far as I can tell is to take freedom away from other people, ie capitalists and we all know that the antithesis of capitalism is communism so that leads us back to government power which he dislikes... Am I the only one seeing this?

And [earthkynd], feel free to respond but leave the personal barbs out, it makes you more persuasive to just address the argument anyway.

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: The good in life has been beaten up by a police baton.

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: I talk about facts.

2009-12-16 [American Revolutionary]: earthy,let me say bluntly that if you ever do that again..ill make you regret what you do....i did not offend or slander your views,in any way, but to be frank,its not THE US`S JOB to worry about foriegn matters [Duke Devlin] i applaud your use of insult..im quite impressed

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: your country is the most rotten and infected there is at this momment on earth, and at least half of our problems originate from the U.S. government, banks, corporations. Cago en tu madre tonto del culho, if that's not your worry then why not tell your fkin mates to get out of afghanistan, iraq, and every other country where they soldiers stationed to keep an eye on the local "leaders", all the companies that have changed the face of the earth and the lives of the local people all throughout the third world? And why not at least worry about the internal problems? Hm? You live in a cultureless, overbred, conservative and plain foolish society, and even inside there there are people THAT ARE CLEARLY NOT YOU who try to make changes, stand for their rights, organise people movements, fight back against injustice, and all you do is going on elftown whining you are so 'daaark' and so a fan of 'war and death and darkness and dark poetry........" Bitchin that people might call you anarchist or communist but that you don't care, oooh, you rebel! You haven't got the slightest clue. Happy and healthy, are we, gordito?

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: and actually, you're gonna make me regret it? Now that's interesting. Got one little question there;
How? HOW? HOW???

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: Duke Devlin, running a succesful multicultural macro-society snakes does not necessarily employ knowledge on how to run a large scale one, I'm sorry. And yes. You live in save, jolly old Britain, innit nice? Luckily the destruction, pillaging, murder, rape, and repression (to name some) of the shell company (to name one) is going on in the Niger delta and not in the mouth of the thames, pfeww, good for you. Also Argentinia is not the second pass by after Manchester, get off at nr 8. That's true. Why would one even expect you to know and to see the effects of these things? But wait, almost christmas time, what ye think, we give 5 penny to the beggar on the street in front of the supermarket, nearly freezing to death? Or we gonna adopt one of those cute black kids from on tv? Naah, never know where the money goes.
Pff, come with this shit to all the mourning parents, children, brothers, sisters, all over the world, the kids making your trainers at 2 cents per day somewhere in one of those asian countries, my god, it's almost become funny to say, in such a way that a link with the conscience and than to the own material world seems really hard to establish. No no, there's no box, sure.

2009-12-16 [earthkynd]: By the way, Barry Prudom's comin' for you!

2009-12-16 [Imperator]: Since we are discussing nationality among other things, where are you from [earthkynd]? Barcelona, Spain? Before you go about trashing other people's nations it might be worthwhile to do some introspection on your own country.

Furthermore, your numerous attacks on successful businesses is a gross injustice to the people who own them and to capitalism. Wealth is the product of opportunity and freedom so it's an interesting thing that the United States is the freest and also the richest nation on Earth. If you truly believe that the power of the "police baton" is evil, then you should love the power of the people exhibited in global business.

Lastly, the wealthiest people in the world are also the most generous philanthropists in the world. Warren Buffett is donating nearly all of his accumulated wealth to charity, close to 40 BILLION dollars. Don't lecture America or Britain on the poor because I don't see much good coming out of your socialist Spain except complaints about people more successful than yourselves.

2009-12-17 [Duke Devlin]: earthkynd, I would just like to address one point here - "And yes. You live in save, jolly old Britain, innit nice?" Yes, actually it is quite nice. Luckily, although our government is a 'follower' one, it clearly doesn't suck as much as yours. If these countries have people rebelling, and such, then it clearly implies that we are doing something alot more right than you are. Oh, and how fucking dare you insinuate that I would "give 5 penny to the beggar on the street in front of the supermarket, nearly freezing to death". I find that fucking insulting. I do not give money to people who cause their own situation. There is always a way to avoid homelessness, be it staying with a friend, or otherwise. You may think that makes me a horrible person, but quite frankly I think people should earn their money, and certainly not beg for others' hard earned cash.
I am well aware of the situation across the world, in numerous countries - sadly they appear incapable of working with others to aid their citizens, or their failing economy and businessworld. It is people like you that hinder International relations, such that are required in order for a world to work together, and would allow for even your country - Spain, a blight on the world, apparently if the majority of it's people are like you - to escape this cultural norm of destruction and 'overthrowing the power'. Quite frankly I find it sick that people like you bring personal attack into this, and even insult other people's countries without ever being in them yourself. Have you ever met any of us? Even if I wasn't horribly against the idea of giving money to the 'beggars' in the street, or giving the the vast majority of charities, you'd still accuse me of being a self-centred, sheltered, well-off 'city-girl', right? It's these kind of assumptions that will assure that your country never matures, or gets out of this degrading way of life.
As for Imperator's point on the Global business, and the capitalist system of ideas, I concur wholeheartedly. You don't appear to realise what capitalism really is - apparently you share the opinion of many people in the world: "Capitalism is bad because it helps the rich stay rich." This is a disgusting way of thought, these people stay rich for a reason. The only reason people like you have to complain is that you are not the rich (I might add here how I personally have fuck all money, and my parents aren't well-off by any means, not by any stretch of imagination. I have had less than £1 for the past couple of months – meaning I have been heavily reliant on working for others to gain things I needed), and would love to overthrow those businessmen who currently set the Global economy, and such, because you aren't getting 'your share' (which of course, isn't your share, because you did not work for it, you're like alot of the people on benefits in the UK, fucking lazy and demanding) of their wealth. You'd prefer communism, obviously. Everyone shares everything - as long as you do your part, that is. Oh, did you know that? Communism requires work too. Sad. Now I'm not insinuating that you support a communist system, far from it, only that this is another example of a system you'd probably hate without realising.
Also - Imperator, very good point about the lack of movement from the Spanish (and other nations, your own for example, if you are not from Spain, earthkynd) - why complain if you do nothing of import?

2009-12-17 [earthkynd]: In "socialist spain" people that think li ke me or anything close don't depend on the government to do shit, they do it themselves, various syndicalist run companies. People don't need governments to do this shit, and clearly I do not talk well this government or any other, which is a symptom I clearly seem to find with you folks.
These people are rich on the back of people that are far from rich. Furtherly I don't live in SPain I live in Catalunya, even furtherly I am originally from Leuven, Flanders, Belgium, so stuff it. And I, differently from you people, don't try to talk well "my" government, since I do not accept this institution, and thus strive for action towards workers autonomy. I would not want to be "succesful" and rich as you imply, but the attitude of those who are. The homeless thingie is bullshit. It clearly proves your absolute un knowing of these people and their situation. Things you find so normal, friends, getting the option to work, to do something. Here on the streets I see handicapped people, without legs, in their wheel chairs, begging all day on the street, because they have no one, and are of no use to society anymore. At night you can see them sitting at the side of the road, trying to sleep while they're shaking of cold.
Capitalism is not bad only because it helps the rich stay rich, it is because it keeps poor people (and entire nations) poor, and because it's main goal, profit, makes them put aside all human aspects, respect for the surrounding environment, for the place we live in and those we share it with. This is as simple as 1+1. Furtherly I am not shitting you, Barry is actually coming for you.
Very nice reflection on Spain too. I am not Spanish btw, as mentioned. And actually, there is a lot of movement here. Socialist, Anarchist, Syndicalist. And no, I am not pro communism, for it implies a (should be temporary but never is) dictatorship. And callin' me lazy? Ha! I've worked (and still am) my share, and I will still have to before I can realise the communitarian living and selfsustaining project I am trying to realise, and as long as it is like that I will still be active in syndicalist circles, trying to change something from underneath out. Who's the lazy ones, you're just expecting your government to do everything for you. My share? Everyone's share, how can you pretend to take things from the Earth and say they're your personal property? Everyone has the right to have food, clothing and shelter, NO MATTER WHAT. No one should have to work for any company for that. OF course, working to grow your food, make your clothes and create your shelter, that's perfectly normal. But working every day of your life in a company that you have no affinity with and you're only in because you HAVE to pay your taxes on this and that? What's normal and natural in that? What is normal in money? Since the point where this got invented things went a degree shittier, since you can save up a lot of money, which would mean you can get a lot of things, and are more wealthy than others, which is a big pile of crap since you don't need all of this and are taking it away from others. How can you dive in wealth when there's people who don't even have a scrape of bread? You're just as much a product of this century as McDonalds is, twat.

2009-12-17 [Duke Devlin]: Wow, you really are retarded. You are fighting for 'syndicalist run companies' and for people to 'do it themselves' - are you so dense that you do not realise that this is Pure Capitalism? And you appear to have misunderstood me every timeee I said that I strive to minimalise government. I am against the Government in every way, they do nothing but mess everything up, in my opinion. Clearly you paid not attention to what I wrote. ;) I agree, you don't need governments to do anything - before our modern civilised societies people managed well enough. Did I ever dispute that?
As for this "These people are rich on the back of people that are far from rich" comment, while that may be true of some companies - clothing production ones are the prime example - it is not true of every single wealthy person in the world, and you damn well know it. There are a great number of people who work honestly for their living, and deserve the riches they gain. And yes, I am talking about within the United States, the United Kingdom, and every other developed country in the world. Your own included.
I can understand your reasoning - you do not want to be successful and 'rich' as I said, sure... You just don't want to be one of the people you claim to hate. That's the only reason. As for the homeless thing - well, that may be the case in other countries, you know, where people do scorn the handicapped - but here, we look after those that need it in that way. Handicapped homeless are rare - actually, non-existent - in UK cities, believe me. I think it's sad that your country allows people to 'shake with cold' at night when in that state. Like I said, I don't believe in handouts for these people, they should work as every other person does - and before you claim they are unable to, everyone can work. Everyone can do something for society. In our country there are processes in place that allow them to work, and get out of their situation. I think it reflects badly on your country, and your system of beliefs if there is allowance for people to be in that state on the streets.
You are terribly ignorant if you believe that Capitalism forces the poor to stay poor. The entire concept of capitalism is that the means of production (i.e the 'little man') is privately controlled (you know, HE countrols his own product, productivity, profits), goods are traded, leading to a free market. This can also be called Liberal market economy. The market is free to be productive, without middle men bogging it down. It is my opinion that this is the perfect system, especially when you contrast it with the current state of affairs in pretty much every country. Capitalists do not disregard the good of the environment, far from it, they actually aid in the support of the growth of it. Can you not see how if things were more private, the environment would survive and grow stronger overall? Land would be privately owned - meaning conglomerates who have no interest in anything but 'putting aside all human aspects' are unable to develop without permission; they would need to adhere to agreements made with the landowner. This implies that the capitalist system would support itself, while allowing for other aspects of the world to flourish. I don't think this implies that the poor will stay poor. ;)
Hey, Spain was an example - your country, Catalunya, may as well be the exact fucking same. Any movement that you are supporting is clearly just detrimental to the society as a whole. Also, on the matter of your being 'not pro communism', you're an idiot. You want to realise your dream of 'communitarian living' - right... Community... Communi--- Communism! Oh right! You want the best for everyone as a community, right? Without meglomaniacs and capitalist 'big-wigs' having all the money!? Right?! :D You're a communist, you fucktard. Everyone has a right to 'food, shelter and clothing, no matter what' - sure, nice. Pretty nice sentiment you have there. Stalin would fucking love you. ;)
I have never once said that for you to work requires you to work in a company. Feel free to quote if I have, and missed it. The idea of working to get your own belongings is noble - yes, that's exactly what I have said all along. For another thing, I have never said that taxes were a good thing - they lead to those who don't deserve it getting the money of those who do. You may argue that the taxes go, in this country, to things such as our stupid health system, the NHS, but in my opinion the NHS is shit. Private healthcare is better quality - and guess what, that'd be a product of Capitalism.
As for your point about money making the world a 'degree shittier', you are horribly wrong. Money developed from the market - trade. Go read Wealth of Nations. You'll probably need a dictionary. ;) It explains how money developed, and how the societies should work. As for calling me a 'product of this century' - surely that just indicates that I have adapted to our modern environment, and know how to survive through change. Obviously you don't, or you wouldn't be so damn rebellious for no fucking reason, you fucking cuntish prat.

2009-12-17 [American Revolutionary]: dude [Duke Devlin] isnt [earthykynd] getting annoying? he/she..whatever the fuck "it" is..its pissin me off